• Maxnmy's@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    That’s pretty interesting. This could be the basis of a new weight-loss drug that works by limiting calorie absorption rather than regulating hunger cues.

    I’m going to be mildly annoyed if the fat acceptance latches on to this as yet another study validating their belief that they can’t lose weight.

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      2 months ago

      their belief that they can’t lose weight.

      For a lot of people it’s a poverty and lack of healthcare thing…

      Even just annual checkups are a huge help because weight is being tracked and someone gets early and continuous warnings their health is being impacted.

      They have as much control as someone trying to lift themselves up by their bootstraps.

      If they can’t escape poverty and gain access to healthcare… They’re less likely to maintain a healthy weight.

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        Yeah, that’s bullshit.

        Poverty isn’t exactly helping, but there are more than enough people with enough resources and excessive body weight.

        In the US, ¾ of the population is overweight, are you suggesting ¾ of the population is poor?

        I used to be fat. It’s not a monetary issue. In fact, I lost weight when I moved out and had very little money.

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          For a lot of people

          What about that phrase made you interpret it as “everyone”?

          In fact, I lost weight when I moved out and had very little money

          This makes it sound like your young and still had the metabolism of a teenager… Losing that is what makes most people gain weight. While some people can be overweight with it, it’s still literally the easiest time in your life to lose weight.

          It would have been much harder if you were fully grown.

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            From my own experience I’m approaching 40 and I can estimate my weight based off the calories I’ve consumed and how much I’ve worked out since the last time I weighed myself within a couple pounds. It’s not exactly in line with any of those estimator apps but it is fairly consistent I assume this is because I have a slower metabolism. Pretty much everyone I know who struggles to lose weight makes terrible choices even when they’re trying. You can account that to cravings or impulse control or whatever but everyone that stuck to an appropriate plan has succeeded. It’s a matter of figuring out how your body works and sticking to a plan but it is not easy.

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              For you, yeah.

              For most people even, sure.

              But not everyone, there’s an absolute shit ton of natural human variation on top of conditions/diseases that effect that.

              Like, some people react to a normal diet by their body drastically cutting energy expenditure to try and maintain fat reserves.

              Billions of years of evolution says carrying around as much fat as possible is the optimal choice, and different people have different traits to maintain those energy reserves which used to be the most important part of physical fitness.

              Like, of any possible addiction, an addiction to a high calorie diet should make the most sense to people.

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          One person says losing weight is possible because they did it once. Another person says they cannot lose weight because they’ve been trying for years and it’s not happening. Which one is true? Must be the one that I’m most closely aligned with!

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            Everyone can lose weight though, and we all know what works to do it. You simply eat less food.

            The hard part for everyone is manifesting the willpower to resist hunger. Often it takes a life-threatening health scare to manifest that willpower for people, and then they diet and lose weight to avoid dying.

          • leisesprecher@feddit.org
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            One person ignoring the statistics offered by another to roll in the manure of their own smugness.

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    The scientific and social study of obesity has shown that it is a complex bodily disorder, the causes of which are multiple and varied, and may include genetic and epigenetic factors, diet and eating habits, socioeconomic status, and personal and social lifestyles.

    Wtf?

    Yes, there’s a lot involved, but excusing away obesity as genetic ignores that 99% of it is behavioural. Just look at the explosion of Type II diabetes, which is pretty much all caused by diet.

    Growing up, there were exactly 2 obese kids in our school, from first grade through 12th (across all grades). Those kids had a genetic cause to their obesity.

    Today we have a much higher rate - I’m not buying that genetics drastically changed over the last few decades.

    The elephant in the room is a combination of bullshit from governmental agencies (the lie of the food pyramid anyone?), nonsense from the medical community (fat in our diet isn’t the driver of cardiovascular disease or obesity, it’s unstable glucose, something that’s been well known since the early 90’s), pushing a high-carb diet in the 80’s, which was a lie that ran counter to what doctors advised for diabetetics since the 1930’s!

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      How is a list of seven(!) different analyzed potential factors reduced by you with a “wtf” to one of those?

      And then followed by an anecdote, a correlated studies off topic to the study described and a bit of conspiracy theory (note: one of the few I even support myself, but i’s out of scope of this article!).

      You’re actively harming the points you want to make by jumping onto the wrong targets.

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        No one gives a fuck about “the points”, when are you people going to figure that out? You are the ones harming people by trying to dismiss necessary behavioral changes and real advice because there are technically other factors that you can back up with OODLES OF PEER-REVIEWED STUDIES, HOW CAN YOU INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE LIKE THIS??? No one cares what you studied while knocking out gen ed requirements, get over yourself.

        You’re not in high school debate class anymore, you’re among people seeking and sharing knowledge that can be of actual use to them. If you’re gonna pretend you’re in someone’s corner and shield them from a false sense of blame, and then REFUSE to discuss actual, meaningful solutions, you are utterly worthless in spaces like this.

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          That’s a lot of words to say “my beliefs trump basic science”.

          Peer review reproduction is a bit of a shambles tbh, so not the silver bullet people make it out to be in some fields, agreed.

          So let’s leave the science aside for now and focus on what you are proposing.

          “Just eat less” is about as productive as “Just don’t be sad” or “Just stop drinking alcohol”, technically correct but woefully inadequate as a practical solution for most people.

          edit: before you get even more angry i’m not saying that eating less and exercising more doesn’t work, actually read the statement.

          Aside from anecdotes and “trust me bro”, what knowledge have you shared so far, what solutions ?

          I’m legitimately willing to listen to something you can even halfway prove.

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            lol, you couldn’t make it one sentence without randomly bringing Trump into this. Are you scared RFK is gonna make you illegal? I’m not reading the rest of that, go touch grass

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              Wait, seriously…no…that can’t possibly be true…

              You do understand that the word trump exists outside of the name… Right?

              Oh my, im glad you didn’t read the rest of it, so many complicated words.

              Good luck, you are absolutely going to need it

              • Squiddick17@lemm.ee
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                😅 Oh man, that’s my bad. I’m so used to Reddit that I was positive I knew what kind of post this was. I still maintain my point, but that was a stupid reaction on my part

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                  Fair enough, i could probably also do with being a bit less sarcastic to things that might just be honest mistakes.

                  As a genuine question, what point are you maintaining, I’ve lost the thread and don’t know which one you mean?

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    So, the real elephant in the room is that for the average worker, they are more productive (ie, working much harder) and under much, much more financial stress… which effects epigenetics

    and… people are having children later in life, leading to children with more genetic defects (the average person has about 7 genetic defects, some people have more, some fewer)

    in the 1950s, a man could work at a factory with a high school diploma, own a house, support a family, and have a wife as a full-time assistant at home

    now both parents have to work, if there even are children, there may or may not be a house, and many are just single. people are under huge amounts of stress, and all of it effects epigenetics including via weaker bonds within families

    bodies interpret stress as either “uh oh, i’m going to get kicked out of my tribe and will have to forage and hunt on my own and may die” or “there may be a famine soon”

    the fact that the vitamin levels of food has gone down is a real thing, bodies remember things like that, and can be aware of the decrease, and start to prepare for famines

    TLDR captialism without proper government regulation of externalities is making people fat along with higher populations and decreased vitamin levels in food due to over-farming

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        Do you know how many dicks I’ve sucked?

        I’m asking because I don’t know… because it’s so many that I’ve lost count of how many.

        It’s a lot of dicks.

        Yes, you could read what I wrote about genetic defects and think “He could be referring to a typical genetic defect as an enzyme having a slightly different shape due to a random base substitution error, slowing down the rate of a cellular reaction necessary for lysosomes to function well…” but instead you were like… “I bet it’s because he’s into Hitler.”

        And it’s true. Not only have I sucked lots and lots of dicks, and am a dude, and would have been gassed many times over by my great savior, who is in fact strangely and paradoxically Hitler, but I am also clearly into Hitler based on the fact that I categorize some genetic mutations which result in a loss of function as genetic defects, instead of a beautiful cornucopia of changes which may one day prove to be adaptive.

        You are a very clever sleuth!

        TLDR: capitalism bad

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          Going to a Nazi rally as a guy and sucking everyone’s dick is such a power move, I applaud you!

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            Shockingly, and I say shockingly since I am obviously a racist since I characterize certain phenotypes as defective, I have never gone to a Nazi rally “as a guy” and sucked everyone’s dick.

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          It seems like you are angry that I thought you were a racist when you said racist things. That’s significant evidence and I don’t regret it

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            You are baiting the commenter, them making shit up to fit into you idiotic world views.

            Pathetic behavior tbh

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            On a side note, I’m actually impressed by the number of posts of yours that have been removed by mods and your knowledge of machine learning. Are YOU impressed by the vast vast unquantifiable unidentifiable number of dicks I’ve sucked?

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                One? lol, no way… I stopped counting after it got into the double digits, but it’s a lot. I used to say I had sucked fewer than 20 dicks, now I say it’s less than an infinite number of dicks.

                Also you are also misinterpreting my post as anger… but really my response was sexual arousal because I have a fetish for morons.

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                  Yes, it happened once, but soon you will learn to count as a secondary mastery

          • secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world
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            What exactly did I say that was racist initially? All “races” have genetic defects. The average number of genetic defects is 7 and race doesn’t even exactly exist in science because it’s mostly a social construct. They are things like “intolerant to gluten” or “more susceptible to certain cancers” and they don’t have an agenda. I hate anti-wokism, but calling me racist for my initial post is bat-shit ignorant. (Calling me racist slut for my second post, however… well… you got me there.)

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              Racists use genetic defects to imply superiority. That’s why I asked. I got my reply, extreme anger. I’m satisfied there with that response like I said, it says much more than just saying it out loud