• Muad'dib@sopuli.xyz
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    6 days ago

    Me listening to tankies describe communism as a moneyless, stateless, classless world, then criticise anarchism

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    6 days ago

    What if heaven is just whatever you need heaven to be? Like, what if it’s just a temporary state of affairs? You enter Heaven, and it is exactly what you need to be at peace with your death and your life before that. Then, when you’re ready, after however much time you need, you can decide to move on and stop existing, or send your soul to be reincarnated.

  • MochiGoesMeow@lemmy.zip
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    5 days ago

    Can we just have tiny villages where we tell ghost stories and just all contribute to each other’s well being?

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    6 days ago

    This actually makes sense, once you understand what their problem is with communism.

    You see, they have no problem with all the benefits that communism offers… What bothers them is the idea that those benefits would be given to people who haven’t earned it.

    Heaven, to them, is a reward. Only the pure, the righteous, the faithful get to enjoy its benefits. Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

    A heaven for everyone, with no walls, no gates, no pitiful outcasts scrabbling to get in… That’s no heaven at all.

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    7 days ago

    When I was fairly young my mom described Christian heaven. I remember struggling with the idea of not struggling and being happy all the time. Then she hit me with if someone you love doesn’t make it to heaven you forget them. That’s when the fracture began for me.

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        7 days ago

        It really is. It’s not even a pleasant thought experiment.

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      Its not that you forget the person. You gain a perfect understanding of the situation. Like when your child has to go to jail for some crimes they committed. You may be sad they went to jail, then understand why they went to jail, then agree it was right that they were put in jail.

      Not a perfect analogy, but something like that.

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        So we join with the God-mind in order to understand why the person we previously loved isn’t worthy of love after all…

        Jim from the Office looks uncomfortable

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    6 days ago

    I asked one “so when do I actually die?” and they couldn’t comprehend that I didn’t want to exist forever

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    7 days ago

    It’s only “communism” if the equality goes to individuals outside of your group. If your group gets the benefits, well, that’s because you’re awesome and you deserve it; but fuck those other guys.

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    I’ve come to the conclusion that Christians that vote republic just dissociate their “church” brain vs their non “church” brain. Their religious beliefs ONLY apply to religious things. Everything else just goes to whatever their true value system is.

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      I don’t think most religious people have any beliefs, they just roll with whatever stances are currently popular amongst their peers. If a large enough number of their peers say their god says slavery is valid, then they will say slavery is valid, or a million other horrible things

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      7 days ago

      Yup. The common answer to “why does evil exist” is that humans have free will.

      Therefore it follows that if there is no sin in heaven, there is also no free will.

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      it’s almost like American imperialism has made sure that any attempt has failed by economic and military disruption and injecting dictators with the goal of dissuading others from trying.

      the second there’s a success story western capitalism becomes unnecessary and a better system comes into view.

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      Also communist economy is impossible to implement since there is no all knowing god to fuck all the people siphoning the money out via corruption. Communism is great if you can remove humans from the equation. Mofo humans fuck every system up, we are the problem.

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      Also, heaven is an absolute monarchy. The fact so many commies don’t even see the difference between communism and a monarchy should tell you all you need to know.

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        Also, heaven is an absolute autocracy. The fact so many fundies don’t even see the difference between US and facism should tell you all you need to know.

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    7 days ago

    I think it might have something to do with those “Christians” envisioning heaven as an implicit ethnostate.

    Socialism seems ugly to them because it involves the people who seem ugly to them being cared for.

    But they’d never say it out-loud; most can’t even see that’s what their twisted little hearts desire.

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    The absolute worst is them saying socialism is pessimistic because it thinks people can’t do anything for themself and coddles them with a nanny state. Then turns around and says “you have to structure capitalism assuming every single person is a greedy sociopath hellbent on fucking over everyone else to make money.”

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    Communism in theory: A stateless, classless, moneyless utopia where everyone shares resources based on need. Communism in practice: Authoritarian regimes, economic inefficiency, suppression of dissent, and a state that never ‘withers away’ like Marx imagined.

    Every major attempt, USSR, Maoist China, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, has resulted in centralized power, mass repression, and economic collapse. The problem isn’t just ‘bad leaders’; it’s that a system requiring absolute cooperation and selflessness on a societal scale is fundamentally unworkable. Human nature, resource scarcity, and the need for incentives all get in the way.

    So yeah, communism sounds nice on paper, but history proves it turns into a dystopia instead of a utopia every time.

    We need to stop idealizing communism because it doesn’t work.

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      7 days ago

      Unchecked capitalism also leads to bad outcomes, including ecological collapse.

      We need something that isn’t “a handful of people have all the power”