• iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
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    3 months ago

    I wish people would stop conflating energy with electricity.

    So Germany had ⅔ of it’s electricity from renewables, but still has gas for warming homes, petrol for cars, diesel for trucks, and so on.

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      3 months ago

      That’s fair, but it’s still a very relevant metric. It shows the automatic transition made in electrification when people switch over to heat pumps, electric stoves or EVs.

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        3 months ago

        It skews the metrics though. By the title you’d think Germany is already more than halfway through to become carbon neutral, when it is obviously still extremely far away from that goal. People read this and think we’re actually doing okay.

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          3 months ago

          The hell is “doing okay”?

          I am so frustrated by the discourse around renewables and climate change. Everybody online seems to be treating it like a puzzle or a board game, where you “win” at climate change when you find the “right” solution.

          That’s not how it works. I don’t care about the “carbon neutrality” of Germany any more than I care about the “carbon neutrality” of a patch of the Atlantic Ocean. It’s a global process that is never going to end. We’re always going to need energy, it’s always going to come from a mix of sources and we need to eventually find a global equilibrium we can strive to maintain.

          Data is data, but taking issue with news, and particularly positive news, as if they were propaganda in a campaign where eventually people will have to elect the one source of energy they consume is kind of absurd. Yes, renewables are gaining ground, solar is moving faster than expected and no, that doesn’t make the issue go away and we still need to accelerate the process and remove additional blockers to that acceleration. There are no silver bullets and there never will be.

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            3 months ago

            positive news

            The point is that it’s not positive, not more than an article telling you that tomorrow it will be sunny.

            It’s at best mild.

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              3 months ago

              Now who is confusing weather with climate?

              It’s an article telling you that inflation wasn’t as high as intitially expected. Doesn’t mean prices went down, but it’s still good news against the alternative.

              We’ve looped back around to arguing about the meaning of “positive”, which mostly tells me this is entirely a discussion about vibes, and maybe that’s the best takeaway anybody can get from it.

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      3 months ago

      WTF is Australia doing? Aren’t they aware they have plenty of sunshine and an insanely long shoreline?

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        3 months ago

        The sun doesn’t shine at night. Have a look when it is daytime there and you’ll see upwards of 60% of their electricity is solar.

        Or use the EM site and check for past statistics.

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          3 months ago

          The sun doesn’t shine at night.

          Wind blows at night at the shoreline.

          Have a look when it is daytime there and you’ll see upwards of 60% of their electricity is solar.

          Well, over 12 months it’s not that rosy, except for Tasmania:

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            3 months ago

            I thought you’d at least have a chuckle when you realised that it was night time when you made your dumb comment.

            Over the last 12 months it is 25% solar and 13% wind. The population centres on the east coast are worse than WA, SA and TAS in that regard.

            Yes, 45% of coal generated electricity is awful, but you were still incorrect in saying Australia is doing nothing.

            A collosal solar farm and transmission cable to Singapore is under construction which is will be a great achievement when complete.

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              3 months ago

              you were still incorrect in saying Australia is doing nothing.

              Except I did not say that. I asked what’s going on and that things aren’t that rosy. You must me have confused with someone else.