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    “Technically, the United States didn’t get bad, it’s always been bad! It only got worse!” isn’t the flex a lot of leftists think it is.

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      The point is it isn’t really worse. Yet, anyway. He’s only been president for a few weeks so obviously it can get worse.

      But right now, Trump is about as bad as every other president. Bad in different ways, of course, but they all belong in prison.

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        I disagree. No president has ever abandoned a democratic ally to invasion by an imperialist dictator for such petty, malicious reasons.

        They might all belong in prison, but that’s like saying a shoplifter is just as bad as a serial killer.

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          No president has ever abandoned a democratic ally to invasion by an imperialist dictator for such petty, malicious reasons.

          Well now hold on, we did that to the Kurds in… Wait, nevermind, that was also Trump.

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          The only reason Trump has this opportunity to screw over Ukraine is because Biden kept the war going. The previous administration pressured Ukraine to keep the war going instead of entering negotiations over territory back when Russia was in a much worse position than it is now.

          The reason? At the time it appeared that the war was an opportunity to weaken Russia and let them to waste blood and treasure on an unwinnable quagmire.

          Years later all they accomplished was killing more Ukrainians and Russia is stronger than ever. Biden got Ukraine here, even if Trump is the one to finish them off.

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            The only reason Trump has this opportunity to screw over Ukraine is because Biden kept the war going.

            Some DARVO shit right here.

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    Except one does not contradict the other. The United States has supported democracy, it’s just that that support had been razor thin. Now, I think it’s pretty clear they are openly shitting on it under Trump.

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      If we are playing silly semantics then Russia is a “democracy” as well and Trump is supporting “democracy”.

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        Nothing silly here. “Fact checker” twisting Bernie’s words. Sad to be corrected yourself?

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    This is not fact checking. This is gaslighting. The fact that the USA has been supporting dictators for decades does not change or alter what Bernie is saying.

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      Supporting manufacturing war against Russia without regards to their security concerns, or talking to them, may have been a necessity in loyalty to Biden. Keeping up the charade is definitely not progressive.

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        Stop drinking the Russian kool aid. This has literally been the Russian gameplan since they knew they couldn’t beat us in a hot war. Psy-ops to turn us anti-globalist is almost literally verbatim the whole plan.

        You can accept that the US has done some shady shit that needs to be criticized and not forgotten about, without totally dumping liberal democracy and spewing straight Russian propaganda

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          Russian kool aid

          It is understandable to be pro-war and a total warmonger because growing up in the United States, all the propaganda we hear and are taught since we are born is done to make us not question or critically think about our imperialist ways.

          Growing up and learning the non-propaganda history and other views should shift you away from US military propaganda of liking forever wars and the blind nationalism of bringing “democracy” to Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Europe, and Asia.

          shady shit

          That is a major downplaying and rewriting of the true history of our country.

          Here is a small example of what we do to other countries and the only reason we know about this is due to it being leaked by great people: https://lemmy.world/post/15002828

          I suggest reading up on the military leaks and many more independent journalists, fewer legacy media viewpoints; the major ones are Julian Assange and Edward Snowden leaks.

          Russian propaganda

          You do know that people can come to the same conclusion without needing others to tell us what to think or being tricked into seeing the world a certain way…

          I suggest learning about the Uhuru Three and the Uhuru Movement: https://lemmy.world/post/23366029

          I got reminded of a song: dead prez - They School | https://lemmy.world/post/26450948